Thursday, January 20, 2011

Chinese Pres. Hu Jintao welcomed by Obama in Wash.

First, why is he even here?

Second, this is more terribly improper behavior from Obama. (I guess welcoming foreign communist enemies and holding lavish dinners for them--while we foot the bill, of course--is a good idea to our "fearless leader"?)

Third, Michelle wears a bright red dress?!?

And finally...I'm not a big fan of Mr. Trump, but sometimes, like this time, he has it so right.



Nathan said...

I imagine we may have to agree to disagree on this one (which I respect), but the way I see it, two hundred years ago our enemy was Great Britain. Seventy years ago, we weren't getting along with Germany, Italy, or Japan, either. It's not something we can expect to happen overnight--and surely we may not like it at first, and it will naturally involve a lot of trial and error--but if we can achieve better relations with China, that's a good thing. It's happened with countries we've had all out wars with before, and many of those countries have become valuable allies since then.

Do I agree with everything the Chinese government does? Of course not. I don't even agree with the U.S. government on a lot of things; we've got plenty of issues on our own soil, regardless of what's going on outside. I don't have to be a Communist in order to communicate civilly with one, nor do I have to be a "sympathizer" to see both sides of the coin and desire what's best for everyone. China has opened up considerably more in recent years; really, this could be a very good opportunity for us to help them improve where they may need it. And the way things have been, we've had a gun pointed at China, and they've had theirs pointed at us. Neither one is shooting because both of us know we can obliterate each other. Personally, I'm glad both sides are choosing to build bridges rather than burn them right now.

The Warrior said...

Of course, your opinion is highly respected with me. I must still stand by my initial statements, so yes we will agree to disagree.

'Sall good tho, man. :-D

olde.fashioned said...

I see your point, Nathan, and I definitely echo Spencer's sentiments in regards to highly respecting your stance, and agreeing to disagree if we happen to be on opposite sides of the fence. ;)

I don't, however, think that Great Britain is a fair comparison. (BTW, "Great Britain" technically refers to England, Scotland, and Wales--the latter of which we've never really had a problem with.) ;)

England was our political enemy--and I think it's fair to say our relationship with them at any of the negative points in our history was more akin to a feud between brothers. China is neither our brother nor our friend--though someday it may change, I'm not as optimistic as you. I'd rather be proven wrong and overly pessimistic, than take a chance and find ourselves betrayed.

Having said that, I wouldn't want to wave the proverbial red flag in front of the proverbial bull, either!! I believe in diplomacy, but not at the cost of our basic rights and dignity.


Andrew said...

I agree that the whole thing does leave a bad taste in the mouth. China does some terrible things. At the same time though, they are probably our biggest trade partner, and they own a sizable chunk of our economy, so like it or not, we can't just treat them like they don't exist.

Nathan said...

I'd rather be proven wrong and overly pessimistic, than take a chance and find ourselves betrayed.

I definitely agree with this in that we certainly shouldn't ignore the issue of trustworthiness. It would not be wise for us to let our guard down. But I don't feel like my basic rights and dignity were violated by this visit, nor do I feel it was a failure on the part of our leaders. Some things are just better discussed in person... and if food's involved, all the better. :D

The People's Will said...

Someone else you must agree to disagree with I'm afraid ;)

As much as China may not be your cup of tea, the USA sooner or later will have to face reality. They will eclipse you. When they do, it would be a lot better if your two nations were on good terms. China and her people have a long memory, and as their power grows they will be less and less likely to continue putting up with the USA's demands. They spent a century and a half at the mercy of predatory Western expansionism, and I highly doubt that they will take kindly to continued pestering. You depend on them. For now, they depend on you, but they are expanding trade with everyone, and sooner or later they won't need you so much, but you will still need them.

They do not pose any direct military threat to the USA except over Taiwan and the South China Sea, in which case war would result from US provocation (imagine if the Chinese started sailing carrier groups around the Gulf of Mexico). In any case, a war between China and the United States is not one that either can win.

Relinguishing absolute power is unpleasant. Britain had to do it the hard way, through two world wars, and sometimes I wonder if even now our government has realized that we are no longer a Great Power. The USA would be wise to let China surpass it as peacefully as possible.

Incidently, olde.fashioned and Nathan, Great Britain is now only a geographical term referring to the British Isles, and is not the official name of a country. The USA gained independence from the then Kingdom of Great Britain, which comprised England, Wales and Scotland. England has not been a nation-state since 1707.

All in good fun :)