Sunday, May 25, 2008

Probe lands on Mars, NASA says

Phoenix has landed!

Will they find...alien life forms?

Well, sorry to be the party-pooper, but I promise you they won't (on my own personal honor).

Still, this is interesting,.no?

Dr. Paleo Ph.D.

4 comments:

iJosh said...

I completely agree. I hope they have other purposes than finding life, because otherwise, that mission will only turn out as a waste of taxpayer's dollars.

Nathan said...

I don't expect them to find any life, either. Bacteria would be cool, but that's all I can imagine even being remotely possible there (and only in the ice, most likely already dead).

With all this talk of alien life recently, I'm curious as to where so many Christians base their theological arguments against it. It seems to be something not all of us agree on; there are many who say there can't be any alien life--like you fine folks--others who say it could be out there, and still others (myself included) who say it is. If you don't mind (and this is an open question), I'm interested in knowing where this comes from.

Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

Okay, first, let me say that I'm no expert, and I'm sure my answer will not be anywhere near the best.

That said, the Bible deals with humans on earth. There is no other world, other planet, etc. If there was one, that would contradict Romans 6:9-10, "Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God."

If aliens exist, then that means that Jesus didn't save all human (or alien, if you will) creatures when he died, a direct contradiction to the Holy scripture. And if he had to go and die for some other race on some other planet, then that means he didn't die only once, another direct contradiction.

Besides all that, there is much, much more. The "abduction" and other extraterrestrial phenomena have strong ties to the occult and demonic activity, and also the idea of extraterrestrials has arisen mostly from the theory of Evolution, which the Bible outright condemns.

Again, I highly recommend Alien Intrusion by Gary Bates and Alien Obsession by Ron Rhodes. I recently read Bates's book, and it deals with the scientific side (including the utter impossibility of intergalactic travel and other associated ideas as well as the religious side. Its been years since I've read Rhodes's book, but I remember pretty much agreeing with it all at the time. If I remember right, it dealt mostly with the religious factor, whereas Bates's book covers both sides. (Here's his site I just found: http://www.alienintrusion.com/)

Nathan, I can get you copies of both these books with ease, and it would give me nothing but pleasure to do so. I HIGHLY recommend looking into this; the truth shocks even me.

Spencer

Nathan said...

Thank you for your answer. I am by no means an expert, myself (it's really deep stuff that I confess to not having studied a lot), so my answer won't be the best. But everything I do say I say because I know it.

If aliens exist, then that means that Jesus didn't save all human (or alien, if you will) creatures when he died, a direct contradiction to the Holy scripture. And if he had to go and die for some other race on some other planet, then that means he didn't die only once, another direct contradiction.

That's the thing, though: the existence of humans outside our own world doesn't contradict scripture. Christ's Atonement is infinite; thus, it reaches even the vast cosmos. Why would He have to go to some other planet and die again when His work reaches there already? It wouldn't even be a different race, either; they are children of God--humans just like us--merely placed on a different sphere. I'm not sure what your stance is on this, but my position is that there is no end to God's creation--He, being eternal, would have endless time and endless resource, so why would He stop? It only makes sense then that He would create many worlds to house so many lives, for otherwise, when would a final judgment come for anyone?

The Bible does deal with humans on earth. It is the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. Likewise, the Lord has spoken also to the inhabitants of His other worlds; after all, Christ is their Savior as well as ours, and you and I can both agree that all people everywhere must hear this Good News.

So naturally they know about Christ, and I'm willing to bet that all of them who choose to do so believe on His word, just as we do. Why send the Savior to earth, then, and not one of these other worlds? In a nutshell, because the Father knew we were the only ones who were wicked enough to kill His Son--our Savior and Redeemer.

The "abduction" and other extraterrestrial phenomena have strong ties to the occult and demonic activity

I recently read Bates's book, and it deals with the scientific side (including the utter impossibility of intergalactic travel and other associated ideas

I'm answering both of these at once, since they go hand-in-hand.

You and I are in agreement on abduction. The aliens I believe in don't do that (and I hate to call them aliens, because of the image that term evokes in contrast to the beings I truly believe in). Quite simply, we're just too dang far apart from each other! Of course intergalactic travel is impossible; any mortal being attempting it would die long before he got anywhere!

also the idea of extraterrestrials has arisen mostly from the theory of Evolution, which the Bible outright condemns.

It depends on whose idea it is. Perhaps the world's idea of extraterrestrials did arise from the Theory of Evolution; I wouldn't doubt that it did. But you, being as knowledgeable in history as you are, would agree that various different parties have had the same idea as each other (for instance, an invention or a strategy) without necessarily having it come from the same place.

Case in point, the world's idea of aliens may stem from the Theory of Evolution, but my idea of "aliens" comes from direct revelation from God, through prophets who have proper, divine authority. And I know this authority exists and they have it, because I have asked God and He has answered time and time again.

Nevertheless, I respect your position, and thank you for sharing it with me. Though you can see from my response that I view it as false, I certainly am grateful you've taken the time to enlighten me on a subject I was yet unfamiliar with. Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if you believed my position to be false, but I do hope you will at least understand.

A belief in human life on other worlds has brought me closer to Christ, as I know He suffered not only for the sins and pains of this world, but also for the sins and pains of every other world. I can't even comprehend what He went through just for us; to know that there were more He redeemed just gives me a greater appreciation for His sacrifice. He suffered, bled, and died, and rose again. And He only had to do it once--for all of God's children.