Thursday, May 22, 2008

Indiana Bones

Wait wait wait! Is it true?

Don't tell me; the crystal skulls (a real archaeological phenomenon, by the way) arethe bones of extraterrestrials?

Oh...I feel ill.... That's just it; I officially remove myself from all things Hollywood.



Nathan said...

Yep. That was the only thing I really didn't like about the movie; the whole premise was just stupid. I was really excited about an Indiana Jones movie featuring the crystal skulls (something I'd taken interest in a while before), but Hollywood completely butchered them. I enjoyed the film other than that, but it definitely wasn't worthy of "Indiana Jones" lore.

I'll tell you more in the email.

olde.fashioned said...

Now the ignorant masses will believe this and take it as fact. *pounds head on table*

Well what do you expect??

Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

Ignorant masses is right. Ugh. I am so not happy.

Oh well, I never was an Indy fan before anyways. I much prefer one of the people who inspired the creation of the character, paleontologist Roy Chapman Andrews.


P.S. Where were the army ants?

iJosh said...

I take it you've seen the movie then? I have not seen it yet, so I ask: how much junk did Spielberg put in?

Nathan said...

Where were the army ants?

Right after the chase scene in the jungle. After flying through the air, two vehicles landed on part of the ant colony, which brought the swarm out. They ended up consuming two Soviets; it was entertaining.

how much junk did Spielberg put in?

That's hard to say, because I really enjoyed the movie. The script, effects, and camera work were all well done, but one obvious piece of junk is the plot point of Indy having a child out of wedlock. And of course, the whole movie just got weird near the end when the aliens showed up and did their thing (no lie). Now I don't usually mind if a movie has aliens in it (I do believe they exist, but have my doubts that they would visit Earth), but in this case, it just screwed up everything about the plot. It was not an Indy plot.

As I said, I really liked this movie. But those are the big things you'll want to be warned about if you choose to see it.

Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

Aha, I knew there had to be army ants! The best thing about this entire movie is the fact that Lego created a new ant piece. I only guessed that they were army ants because of something else I guessed. Seeing a billboard with a truncated pyramid, and plus the "Crystal Skull" title, I guessed it was Mayan/Mesoamerican. Thus, they'd have to be army ants, right?


P.S. "Junk", haha! Aliens, definite junk. So what can you expect from a franchise created by Spielberg and with Lucas's hand in it? (And Nathan, I think I know what you mean as we've discussed this before; other-worldly "humans" and not literal ETs, correct?)

Nathan said...

I think I know what you mean as we've discussed this before; other-worldly "humans" and not literal ETs, correct?

Right. Children of God, created in His image. But perhaps all those little green men that UFO freaks say have crashed here are like chimps to the people of some other world, which have just been sent farther into space than ours have? :-P

Haha, This is what happens when you leave me alone to think. ;-D

Stephen Boyd said...

Are there not aliens in the US right now? Illegal, I mean.

Alyssa, Midenian Scholar said...

I just saw it. I enjoyed it--I mean, yeah, it was kinda bleh to throw in sci-fi stuff when you could've just used a real[ish] story instead. But for entertainment I think it was fine. I liked it much better than National Treasure. ^-^

Oh, the climax SCREAMED of Doctor Who (longest running TV show in the world, and a big hit in England). It was actually kind of funny.

Oh, and Indie got married. That's a step towards the positive. And there was only one short kiss in the whole movie. (There was the Look of Kiss To Come at one point, and the teenager threw a skeleton at them. :D)

*reads comments*

I don't believe in aliens. *raises hand* I actually saw a really good science channel experiment on an old 50's myth about the Government Stealing the Alien Spaceship. It was very interesting--they took ten people on a "nature hike" and walked them "accidentally" by this "crash site", filming the whole thing, didn't say anything about it and then brought them back a month later to interview them on the facts they'd seen. Crrrazzzy answers!

olde.fashioned said...

Spencer -- only you would think an army of ants was a good thing. ;-P

Nathan -- I thought thinking was a good thing??

Stephen Boyd -- lol, yes there are. You reminded me of a boy a Sunday school class I attended once who contradicted the teacher when he said there were no such things as aliens. He adamantly insisted they existed -- and then he added "illegal ones" and got a big laugh out of everyone, save the poor dismayed teacher. ;-P I think his face was rather akin to poor Stephen Maturin's in the "lesser of two weevils" scene!

And unrelated, I am quite curious as to why you have the 1995 A&E/BBC Pride & Prejudice listed as one of your favourite movies. It's one of mine as well [plug]save the wonderfulwonderfulwonderful BBC North & South which everyone simply MUST SEE [/plug] but it's rare to see a male fan. Might I ask you what it is that you enjoy so much? :-)

Alyssa -- Who'd a thunk it. Indy got married! I thought he was like James Bond and would never marry anyone. ;-P Who'd he marry, Karen Allen? (who is presumably the mother of his kid, right?)

*applauds friend for her good sense in not believing Big Government Area 51 Conspiracies*

Stephen Boyd said...

Olde fashioned-

Yes it's true I like P&P, the old one. I didn't like it the first time I saw it, but then a really good friend recommended I read the book, which was absolutely hilarious, Austen's greatest book . I watched the movie again, and I guess the book helped me to follow the story better, I appreciated the historical accuracy as well as the actors (the best one: tie between Mrs. Bennett and Mr. Collins).

North and South I would have liked better if it did not have a industrial setting. As an agrarian Scotch-Irish descendant, I believe that industrialism has done more to erode the Christian family, than anything else.

Disclaimer: In no way do I endorse the latest P&P version (2005).

Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

As to aliens, personally I don't believe in any form of extraterrestrial life, plain and simple. I'd recommend Gary Bates's book, Alien Intrusion. It deals with all the serious issues concering aliens, and also has a great section on the utter impossibilities of intergalactic space travel. It also takes the view of "abductions" that I agree with. Another good one is Alien Obsession by Ron Rhodes, but it's been a long time since I read that one. I remember it mostly being religious (dealing with the same abduction/demonic issues) whereas Bates's book is has that as well as a ton of sound science. I'd highly recommend it to anyone! (A lecture of his on the subject, a good surface scratcher, is also available on DVD.)

Doctor Who. Hmph, I've never seen it, but know some who have, and I hear it contains a lot of homosexual material. I think there is/was a spin-off that's rampantly erotic as well. So, I'll take the next exit on this one. ;-D


olde.fashioned said...

Stephen Boyd -- I read the book before I saw that movie and I loved it instantly. ;-) Mr. Collins is a riot and I love Mr. Bennet's remarks to his wife. ("No lace, Mrs. Bennet I BEG YOU")

If you enjoy Austen for her comedy have you read/watched any of Northanger Abbey or Emma? Emma is especially amusing and it also has the distinction of JA's best hero, IMVHO. ;-)

Oh my. So you did not like N&S? I loved how honest and fair Elizabeth Gaskell was with both sides and both classes. Have you read the novel? As much as I love the movie there is nothing to be compared with reading the book for yourself. There is always a lot that is cut out. And I'll grant you that industrialism has not improved the morals of the world any but what about education, the rise of the middle class, and improvements of the quality of life? And as for the eradication of the Christian family, I humbly submit that the rise of feminism has been a far greater evil than the Industrial Revolution in regards to emasculating men, and defeminising women.

I infinitely prefer the '95 version, but I will say that I like the 2005's Rosamund Pike as Jane much better, and it's a close call to decide between the two Mr. Collinses. Tom Hollander is an absolute riot! *coughBoiledPotatoescough*

Have you seen or read Wives & Daughters?

Alyssa, Midenian Scholar said...

Lauren - Yes, he marries the mom of the kid. When they kiss, the son is looking at them like he's seriously disturbed. (It's not an over-the-top kiss, I don't think. But I found his look amusing.)

Spencer - Doctor Who himself doesn't have anything sexual going on with anyone--he desires companionship but though all the girls fall head over heals for him, he has only fallen in love with one, after he lost her. The most I've ever seen him do is kiss some girls, which doesn't happen often. The homosexual guy is just kind of...weird. Because he flirts like nuts with everyone he meets. He pops in and out. Sometimes he's funny, sometimes he's just plain odd. *shrug* Because Doctor Who is supposed to be a somewhat kid-friendly show, though, it's kept fairly clean.

If you ever consider seeing any sort of Doctor Who episode, I highly recommend "Blink" just for its own sake. It stands on its own pretty well, and the doctor is hardly in it. Really, really good horror-story-well-done, very Hitchcock. ;)

Stephen Boyd said...

Olde fashioned:

I am absolutely terrible about articulating my position on things like this. Also, if you find anything I say which is inaccurate, please correct it.

I have not read Northanger Abbey and I fell asleep while trying to read Emma. I really liked the movie, though (I assume you are speaking of the "dark-haired Emma"). My favorite part is the Harvest Feast at the end.

I don't believe I said that I did not like N&S, I just don't like the industrial setting. My opinion of Bleak House is the same: don't like the dark and gloomy setting and everyone dies. I have a good friend who reccomended the book (N&S) so I will probably read it soon.

Now to industrialism! I said "that industrialism has done more to erode the Christian family than anything else". This is because the effects were enormous. I believe that feminism is actually an offshoot of industrialism, because women had no incentive to work outside the home before the industrial revolution.

The 2005 P&P....well OK! Mr. Collins was hilarious and the music was BEAUTIFUL!

Isn't Wives and Daughters 16 hours long?

olde.fashioned said...

Ah, words always seem to fail me as well when I need them most, so I know how you feel. ;-) Please forgive me if I seem to be putting you on the spot! That is not my intention at all. I'm just curious.

And likewise feel free to correct me if I say something inaccurate. :-)

LOL! Emma can be plodding, I know. It's sooo subtle that you really have to look hard sometimes to find the action. And yes, I meant the "dark haired" movie with Kate Beckinsale. That's the ONLY movie IMNSHO -- I can't abide the paltry Paltrow version. And I like the Crown Inn Ball the best.

Ahh, okay. I think I know what you mean now. I don't know if I like the gloominess or not, but I do know that I like the level of realism that it lends to the story -- real life is not always sunshine and smiles, and I like seeing that reflected in fiction.

By "incentive" to work outside the home do you mean a desire to do so, or a need? Because there have always been those few women who have needed work, hence the governessing trade, seamstresses, millinery, girls' finishing schools, etc. Even novel writing was looked upon as one of the few respectable means for a woman to earn money if she had no man to provide for her. (Please not that I am NOT IN ANY WAY advocating feminism -- I merely am acknowledging that not all women are blessed with a man capable or willing to provide for them)

Oh yes the music is fabulous. And so is the scenery!!

LOL!! Haha, no, it is not! It's about as long as N&S. ;-) It's only two discs for the story, but the DVD comes with 3 for all the extras and stuff. (which, btw, I don't recommend watching because the stupid people claim Gaskell thought, said and did things that I believe she did not, but that's another matter entirely) But Molly Gibson is very sweet, and the story is not dissimilar from Mansfield Park, but it's not quite as "opressing" and gloomy as MP is. There is one very good naturalist character and they film a few bugs and beetles if you like that sort of thing. ;-)

Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

Aye chihuahua....

My blog is now a conversation house for chick flicks. *sigh* What am I gonna do about it, though?

Lol, W&D is more lighthearted, she's right. Silly at times, but not too bad as chick flicks go. The naturalist character is pretty interesting, I have to say. (What's not to love about beetles? I mean, come on, they're beetles!!!!)

Bleak House? Ugh. N&S? Better. A good story, but it gets bogged down with Margaret's boring life. Thornton is more interesting. I see what you mean by industrialism, but I wouldn't necessarily say that industry is bad, just that the other lurking philosophies (feminism, humanism, social Darwinism, and at times even socialism) at the time that melded with what some of us know as industrialism is what was damaging.

But I agree with Lauren, I like serious stories. I hate silliness for its own sake. (In fact, one of my favorite movies, Tae Guk Gi, is enough to make you bawl Niagara Falls.)


P.S. It occured to me why your name is somewhat familiar to me. Do you know of the Biblical Hebraist of the same name? I once met the man himself. He worked with the R.A.T.E. study with the ICR and CRS.

Stephen Boyd said...

Spencer: Another example of me not expressing myself adequately :(. I am not opposed to technology or industry (diligence). I believe that technology should be advanced through an entrepreneurial system. Can this be done without the slavery of Industrialism? I honestly don't know.

"Chick Flicks"- I assume by this phrase that you mean girl movies. Be that as it may, I believe that it is disrespectful for Christian gentlemen to refer to girls as "chicks".:)

Olde Fashioned:
I am not at all "put on the spot". I appreciate people who force me to articulate my position on issues. That was a very good point:"real life is not always sunshine and smiles". I absolutely agree! But don't we watch movies to escape reality? ;) Sometimes, yes.

In the agrarian society some women were forced to work outside the home, but only under special circumstances, i.e.- no provider. The industrial economy forced women to work outside the home, because two people working was the only way they knew to support a family (as was illustrated in N&S).The problem began when people immigrated to places like the US, and found that more money could be made by both parents working and having 1.2 kids. That's when it became a "desire" instead of a "necessity".

Does what I'm trying to say make sense?

olde.fashioned said...

Spencer -- and excuuuuuse me what is wrong with chick flicks??? They're better nine times out of ten than guy movies. :-P

And Tae Guk Gi can make me cry from the other ROOM!! *gets snifflie just thinking about end scene*

Stephen Boyd -- I assure you Spencer's usage of the term "chick flick" was completely harmless. He neither does, nor would, refer to a woman in such a disrespectful way. He's the most chivalrous and gentlemanly man I know. ;-)

And I am glad that I have not put you on the spot. I worry about doing that too much, haha. And I'll grant you that movies are a great escape. Believe it or not, sometimes the sadder ones (N&S and the '95 Sense & Sensibility) are more "escapist" for me sometimes than the funny ones -- it's almost like a reminder (to paraphrase Martina MacBride) that sometimes life ain't good, but God is still great and happily-ever-afters do sometimes exist. :-)

Back to industrialism. May I ask what in N&S suggests that the only way working people knew to support a family was to have two incomes? Not to be argumentative. :-) As I recall not every woman was outside her home earning her bread elbow-to-elbow with men -- Mrs. Thornton especially comes to mind. I don't recall any suggestion that [SPOILER WARNING] when her husband died that she went out and got a job. It was her son who "stepped up to the plate" and took on the mantle of familial responsibility that his father so selfishly shirked.

And yes, I think I understand what you're trying to say. :-)

Stephen Boyd said...

I apologize for wording my comment on your usage of the word "chick". I did not mean that personally against you. I feel sure that anyone who is a die-hard rebel would be a most upstanding gentleman. I just seriously disapprove of pop-culture terms like that. I guess you could say I am rather...well... old fashioned, in that regard. ;)

Olde fashioned:
One thing I really appreciated about N&S was it's historical accuracy. There are several scenes in that movie which led me to the conclusion that both parents had to work.In the scene where Elizabeth sees the inside of the factory for the first time, there are women working alongside the men. Bessie Higgins worked at the factory until she contracted a disease which caused her death. Please explain if I am missing anything that may have been expounded on differently in the book. In the case of Mrs. Thornton, her son was willing to take the position of the provider, with good effect, at least for the first part of the movie.

Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

No, you didn't express yourself inadequately, I was merely going farther and stating my own opinion. :-)

As to "chick", of course you didn't bother me. Not at all. A good gentlemanly nudge from one man to another is always a welcome thing, particularly considering the kind of people I'm stuck with all day long. Be that as it may, I completely agree with you. I never use the word "chick" and refuse to use words that are harsher than that (such as the words for an immoral lady or a prostitute).

I only use it in that phrase, well, because it's kind of a funny phrase and it rhymes, and it's a good indicator of a whole genre. If I had used the word "chick", or if I ever do, feel free to give me an e-kick. :-P

I don't watch movies to escape reality; I usually watch them to find it.

I actually think both of your "women at work" views with N&S both fit; a little bit of each occured. I guess that was the time when the right ways were beginning to be polluted by the wrong?

Stephen Boyd said...

Have you seen or heard about "The Kingdom"? I haven't seen it, but I think it is an war story from Iraq, looks pretty cool.

As long as we are on the subject of "tear-jerker" movies, I assumed that Gods and Generals would be near, if not at, the top of the list. I begin crying just about the time the Irish brigade charges, and end several days latter. :( "You are the first brigade"- I am completely out, as Jackson whispers that in delirium.

olde.fashioned said...

Stephen Boyd -- Yes!! I love that about N&S. Historical accuracy is one of THE most important things for me, aside from morality of course. The book is like that, too; Gaskell is very honest and fair with representing both sides. (oh, and a word of advice -- the book has way more of the Manchester dialect than the movie, and Higgins especially can be difficult to understand because EG preserved the manners of speech of the working classes in her writing. I would advise procuring yourself a copy that has a glossary or footnotes in the back to help with all the "clemming" and "hoo" stuff. ;-D )

IIRC, in the book everyone in the Higgins family had to work in order to make ends meet.

And also, I'm know I'm not Spencer, but I thought the same exact thing that you did about The Kingdom. I watched it, and was very disappointed. I did not like it at all. It was far too liberal and politically correct for my tastes, but then what do you expect from Hollywood?

Gods & Generals makes me cry too, but Tae Guk Gi takes all the sadness from G&G and makes it exponential!!

Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

You're right about G&G. Spectacular film, but sad. Lauren is right too, though. If you thought that was sad, wait until you see TGG.

The Kingdom. I didn't get to watch it but saw the tail end of it and agree with my sister; it seemed to try to equalize both sides. Sorry, but terrorists are just that.

However I saw an episode of The Unit on TV last night. I know nothing about the show, but that one episode was great! (The whole thing was about a battle in Afghanistan, peculiarly reminiscent of Rorke's Drift.)

I've yet to see a good Iraq movie. I'd love one, but have yet to find one. They're all way too PC. A TV movie about Jessica Lynch a few years back (Saving Jessica Lynch) had a good beginning (battle sequences), but was somewhat slow later on. And besides, the whole Jessica Lynch story is just disturbing.

I was slightly interested in Jarhead, but that one's out (I heard about some nasty content).

Oh well. Better luck in twenty years?


Mike said...

"I begin crying just about the time the Irish brigade charges"
It's the only scene in any movie that can make me cry.

Dr. Paleo Ph.D. said...

Like I said before, watch Tae Guk Gi, and you'll experience a new era of baby bawling-ness.

Stephen Boyd said...

I have never seen Tae Guk Gi before, but Gods and Generals meant so much to me because I could relate to what was going on. It becomes much more meaningful when you realize that when Stonewall died, the South died. When the South died, the last truly Christian culture died with it.